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- From: junet@informix.com (June Tong)
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- Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: Vacant Job Positions
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- Date: 14 Feb 1996 21:47:56 GMT
- Organization: Informix Software, Inc.
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- : In article <3120B741.3482@crl.com>, john b <jointprd@crl.com> wrote:
- : >Correct my summary of this issue if I'm wrong.
- : >
- : >1) Corporate America does not recognize that there are very competent
- : >"non-degreed computer" people out there.
- : >2) Corporate America is probably bypassing a great source of knowledge.
- : >3) Most of corporate America is prejudice.
- : >4) All things equal, a degree will always win out.
- : >5) Having a degree does not make you any better than anyone else.
- : >6) Not having a degree more than likely will limit initial opportunities,
- : > but if persistent things will work out.
- : >7) Good experience is worth just as much as a degree.
-
- Grant Reaber (greaber@reed.edu) wrote:
- : Well I guess that's a good summary of one half of the issue :-). First
-
- It IS a good summary of what this thread has covered so far. Which, I
- believe, is all it purports to be.
-
- As only one person has pointed out so far, the original post said "or
- equivalent". In my experience, most companies see 2-3 years experience as
- being "equivalent". So 1) and 2) above are not necessarily true. Unless you
- are saying that college is SO useless that non-graduates don't need ANY
- experience to be equivalent, or even superior? We're not talking about
- specific individuals here, but as a group.
-
- : All that said, it must be conceded that many degrees hardly approach the
- : liberal ideal. Getting a degree from some colleges is probably of
- : little value to anyone smart and motivated enough to be a good programmer.
-
- Too true. I personally think I got an EXCELLENT education from my college,
- in many ways, not necessarily connected to programming. This doesn't mean, of
- course, that I am a better programmer (although I do think I'm pretty good,
- but don't we all ;-) or that all colleges provide a great education, or, for
- that matter, that all graduates of my school feel that they got a great
- education.
-
- On the other hand, at one interview (while I was still in college), the
- interviewer said to me, "You mean your school doesn't even teach you COBOL???
- How do they expect you to get a job???" Made me wonder 1) what other colleges
- are teaching, 2) what this company wanted in their employees, 3) what they
- think colleges are supposed to teach you, and 4) what they were doing
- recruiting at my school. My feeling is that for what they wanted, they
- definitely should not require a college degree (I don't know if it was
- REQUIRED, though). All I know is that they were in the wrong place.
-
- June
-